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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject:
All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
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Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, all user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules are suspended (under moderation). The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g. XMen, 3D Master, etc) are put into moderation queue.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct your profile to match the forum rules your messages will not be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real name is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey", "Alice Smith", etc...
- Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
- If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in all your communications within our community.
- you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page! However it will still be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so this is the same level of anonymity as if you have used mailing list only


Very Imprtant: All new accounts are automatically in the moderated status. You get approved (and hence your posts will be visible) only after an admin approves you. In order for this to happen, your realname must match the rules. All posts which were under moderation for more than a month will be deleted by the admins without noticing the authors!!!

Thank you and sorry for all circumstances,
Admin Team

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles!


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject:
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Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like
to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify
my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though
I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or
how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.
It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone
wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so
much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have
decided to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's
rules. The main reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid
real names specified. The problem in that is, that your posts are
also visible by the mailing list members and that more or less blind
kind of conversation isn't appropriate for our community. Please
take a look into this thread, written by Robert Osfield:
http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to see what I
mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.
XMen, 3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the
next hours.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and
also not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by
moderatos. Hence you still able to post, however until you do not
correct your profile to match the forum rules
(http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your messages will not
be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real
name is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey",
"Alice Smith", etc...
- Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
- If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or
you want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a
pseudonym (which match the both previous points!!!), however use it
persistently in all your communications within our community.
- you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile
settings, then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will
also not be indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page!
However it will still be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so
this is the same level of anonymity as if you have used mailing list
only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles!

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject:
Re: All Forum Users, PLEASE READ IT!
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Hi Ed,

as you can read in this Robert's thread: http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498
it does apply to everybody, don't matter if you on the forum or on the mailing list side! Otherwise forum users are discriminated and we wouldn't like to discriminate users just because they are using a forum instead of mailing list. I will be strongly against such a discrimination Wink

However if you use sensitive data, then just use some email adress, which can not be traced back to you. Also use a pseudonym, when discussing on the mailinglist/forum. Then you will not break our etiquette rules and will be still anonymized safely.

regards,
art


osg wrote:
Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like
to object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify
my full name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though
I try to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or
how I am doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.
It would not be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone
wants to try to track me down through my email, well, I can only do so
much, with out considerable more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject:
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Hi ??

The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can
relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody
else who interacts with you.

At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always
honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may
wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual
valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it
does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous.
While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with
any combination of random key combinations for an online identity.

Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you
want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate
in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want
free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing
lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you
want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for
your alter ego and stick with this.

Robert.


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, <> wrote:
Quote:
Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum?  I would like to
object to this if it applies to the mailing list.  I don't specify my full
name for a very good reason.  The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try
to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am
doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.  It would not
be a good thing for anyone on my side.  If someone wants to try to track me
down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable
more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have  decided
to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's  rules. The main
reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid  real names specified.
The problem in that is, that your posts are  also visible by the mailing
list members and that more or less blind  kind of conversation isn't
appropriate for our community. Please  take a look into this thread, written
by Robert Osfield:  http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to
see what I  mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
 understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.  XMen,
3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the  next hours.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and  also
not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by  moderatos.
Hence you still able to post, however until you do not  correct your profile
to match the forum rules  (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your
messages will not  be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
 established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real  name
is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey",  "Alice Smith",
etc...
 - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
 - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or  you
want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a  pseudonym (which
match the both previous points!!!), however use it  persistently in all your
communications within our community.
 - you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile  settings,
then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will  also not be
indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page!  However it will still
be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so  this is the same level of
anonymity as if you have used mailing list  only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
 OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
 moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles!

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject:
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but...

I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish
to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to
communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any
part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in
the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users
to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how
about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large
user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new
features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby
propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way
street. Just my $0.02.

Definitely Ed

Quoting Robert Osfield <>:

Quote:
Hi ??

The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can
relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody
else who interacts with you.

At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always
honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may
wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual
valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it
does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous.
While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with
any combination of random key combinations for an online identity.

Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you
want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate
in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want
free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing
lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you
want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for
your alter ego and stick with this.

Robert.


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, <> wrote:
Quote:
Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum?  I would like to
object to this if it applies to the mailing list.  I don't specify my full
name for a very good reason.  The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I try
to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am
doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.  It would not
be a good thing for anyone on my side.  If someone wants to try to track me
down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable
more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have  decided
to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's
 rules. The main
reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid  real names specified.
The problem in that is, that your posts are  also visible by the mailing
list members and that more or less blind  kind of conversation isn't
appropriate for our community. Please  take a look into this
thread, written
by Robert Osfield:  http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to
see what I  mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
 understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.  XMen,
3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the  next hours.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and  also
not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by  moderatos.
Hence you still able to post, however until you do not  correct
your profile
to match the forum rules  (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your
messages will not  be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
 established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real  name
is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey",  "Alice Smith",
etc...
 - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
 - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or  you
want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a
 pseudonym (which
match the both previous points!!!), however use it  persistently
in all your
communications within our community.
 - you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile  settings,
then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will  also not be
indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page!  However it will still
be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so  this is the same level of
anonymity as if you have used mailing list  only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
 OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
 moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles!

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject:
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But how hard is it to make up a last name and keep it consistently as
your OSG persona... so that we can easily distinguish you from
potentially countless other "Ed"s?

It seems like a relatively minor thing to me and it does make a big
difference in remembering who people are.

-Paul

wrote:
Quote:
Not trying to be argumentative here, but...

I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish
to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to communicate
with others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your
name. The communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag
on at the end. As for free support requiring users to jump through this
hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how about a little more
slack on this, considering you have a pretty large user base, all of
whom seem to be more than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG
into their systems, labs, etc, thereby propagating it throughout the
community. I think it is a two-way street. Just my $0.02.

Definitely Ed

Quoting Robert Osfield <>:

Quote:
Hi ??

The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can
relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody
else who interacts with you.

At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always
honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may
wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual
valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it
does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous.
While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with
any combination of random key combinations for an online identity.

Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you
want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate
in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want
free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing
lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you
want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for
your alter ego and stick with this.

Robert.


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, <> wrote:
Quote:
Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum? I would like to
object to this if it applies to the mailing list. I don't specify my
full
name for a very good reason. The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though
I try
to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am
doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer. It
would not
be a good thing for anyone on my side. If someone wants to try to
track me
down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out
considerable
more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have
decided
to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's rules.
The main
reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid real names
specified.
The problem in that is, that your posts are also visible by the
mailing
list members and that more or less blind kind of conversation isn't
appropriate for our community. Please take a look into this
thread, written
by Robert Osfield:
http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498 to
see what I mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.
XMen,
3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the next
hours.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and
also
not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by
moderatos.
Hence you still able to post, however until you do not correct
your profile
to match the forum rules
(http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php) your
messages will not be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real
name
is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey", "Alice
Smith",
etc...
- Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
- If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or you
want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a
pseudonym (which
match the both previous points!!!), however use it persistently in
all your
communications within our community.
- you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile settings,
then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will also not be
indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page! However it will
still
be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so this is the same
level of
anonymity as if you have used mailing list only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
moderation queue. So they are asked to correct their profiles!

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject:
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Hi Ed,

You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key
to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then
you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and
you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you
specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do.
Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't
know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what
they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once
you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication
works, it breaks down.

This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down,
prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use.

And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

Robert.

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM, <> wrote:
Quote:
Not trying to be argumentative here, but...

I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed.  But that is all I wish to
reveal for very good reasons.  I think it is possible to communicate with
others without them knowing your full name, or any part of your name.  The
communication is in the conversation, not in the name you tag on at the end.
 As for free support requiring users to jump through this hoop... Ok, your
project your choice.  But, how about a little more slack on this,
considering you have a pretty large user base, all of whom seem to be more
than willing to help test new features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs,
etc, thereby propagating it throughout the community.  I think it is a
two-way street.  Just my $0.02.

Definitely Ed

Quoting Robert Osfield <>:

Quote:
Hi ??

The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can
relate it.  Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody
else who interacts with you.

At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always
honest about who they are, but that's me.  I do realize that some may
wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual
valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it
does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous.
 While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with
any combination of random key combinations for an online identity.

Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you
want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate
in a form that is something that others can relate to.  If you want
free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing
lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you
want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for
your alter ego and stick with this.

Robert.


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM,  <> wrote:
Quote:

Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum?  I would like to
object to this if it applies to the mailing list.  I don't specify my
full
name for a very good reason.  The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I
try
to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am
doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.  It would
not
be a good thing for anyone on my side.  If someone wants to try to track
me
down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable
more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have
 decided
to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's   rules. The
main
reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid  real names
specified.
The problem in that is, that your posts are  also visible by the mailing
list members and that more or less blind  kind of conversation isn't
appropriate for our community. Please  take a look into this  thread,
written
by Robert Osfield:  http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498
to
see what I  mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
 understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.
 XMen,
3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the  next
hours.
Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and
 also
not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by
 moderatos.
Hence you still able to post, however until you do not  correct  your
profile
to match the forum rules  (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php)
your
messages will not  be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
 established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real
 name
is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey",  "Alice
Smith",
etc...
 - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
 - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or  you
want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a   pseudonym
(which
match the both previous points!!!), however use it  persistently  in all
your
communications within our community.
 - you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile  settings,
then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will  also not be
indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page!  However it will
still
be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so  this is the same level of
anonymity as if you have used mailing list  only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
 OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject:
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Robert Osfield wrote:
Quote:
Hi Ed,

You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key
to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then
you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and
you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you
specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do.
Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't
know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what
they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once
you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication
works, it breaks down.

This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down,
prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use.

And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose
to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being
civil in their communications??

This is getting ridiculous...

Paul


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject:
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<take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil?

</take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>



Quoting Paul Melis <>:

Quote:
Robert Osfield wrote:
Quote:
Hi Ed,

You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key
to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then
you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and
you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you
specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do.
Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't
know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what
they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once
you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication
works, it breaks down.

This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down,
prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use.

And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose
to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being
civil in their communications??

This is getting ridiculous...

Paul







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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject:
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If you read carefully and around the typos, Robert was threatening to
unsubscribe people who comply by being rude. ie: "Sure, I'll give you a
last name, how about 'Joe RobertSucks'" or whatever.

I think he was specifically thinking of the "Real Name" poster
recently... who, by the way, hadn't intended that to look like it did on
the mailing list.

-Paul

wrote:
Quote:
<take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil?

</take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>



Quoting Paul Melis <>:

Quote:
Robert Osfield wrote:
Quote:
Hi Ed,

You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key
to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then
you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and
you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you
specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do.
Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't
know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what
they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once
you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication
works, it breaks down.

This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down,
prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use.

And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose
to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being
civil in their communications??

This is getting ridiculous...

Paul









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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject:
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Don't let this slip into something childish, please.

If the main problem here is that it is expected of mailing list/forum
users to have some form of name by which they can be addressed I
personally couldn't give a hoot if it is their real full name, first
name only, a completely fake name, some goofy nickname or whatever. And
this is a graphics community after all, so people actually have a habit
of using goofy nicknames.

Paul

wrote:
Quote:
<take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed! How can anyone say I was being un-civil?

</take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>



Quoting Paul Melis <>:

Quote:
Robert Osfield wrote:
Quote:
Hi Ed,

You don't seem to have the threads on this topic. The names are key
to tracking who's saying what over time. If you can't do this then
you can properly hold a conservation. If you are in crowded room and
you wish to address someone you don't just shout out to everybody, you
specifically address who you want to talk to, you need a name to do.
Also when someones says something in this crowded room and you don't
know who said it how are you to reply? How are you to remember what
they've said previously or what you've said to them previously. Once
you loose names you loose a fundamental part of how communication
works, it breaks down.

This is what are trying to do is stopping communication breaking down,
prevent it from becoming too difficult to us to use.

And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey. If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose
to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being
civil in their communications??

This is getting ridiculous...

Paul











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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject:
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I can certainly understand the reason for remaining anonymous if you work on
sensitive information. However, by just admitting that you work on sensitive
information, you have probably revealed more than you should have...;^). It
certainly piques a lot more interest from other observers who are in the
business of intel gathering than what a real first/last name would do...

Like others have pointed out, you can just use a first and last name alias
that will satisfy the requirements that are being requested along with a
generic email address like gmail or hotmail. This is certainly more
effective than using a short abbreviated common first name.

This is JMO from following this thread of discussion...

-Shayne

-----Original Message-----
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To:
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but...

I am not being dishonest about who I am... Ed. But that is all I wish
to reveal for very good reasons. I think it is possible to
communicate with others without them knowing your full name, or any
part of your name. The communication is in the conversation, not in
the name you tag on at the end. As for free support requiring users
to jump through this hoop... Ok, your project your choice. But, how
about a little more slack on this, considering you have a pretty large
user base, all of whom seem to be more than willing to help test new
features, deploy OSG into their systems, labs, etc, thereby
propagating it throughout the community. I think it is a two-way
street. Just my $0.02.

Definitely Ed

Quoting Robert Osfield <>:

Quote:
Hi ??

The key is that you adopt a consistent online personal that others can
relate it. Not adopting some form of human name is crap for everybody
else who interacts with you.

At personal level I find it obnoxious that people are not always
honest about who they are, but that's me. I do realize that some may
wish to remain anonymous and sometimes there might even be actual
valid reasons for it, it doesn't make like this type of deceit, but it
does mean that I have to accept end users choice to remain anonymous.
While accepting anonymity doesn't mean a free pass to come up with
any combination of random key combinations for an online identity.

Remember you are trying to communicate with real human beings, if you
want them to help you then you have to make the effort to communicate
in a form that is something that others can relate to. If you want
free support then this is the hurdle you need to jump for mailing
lists users and forum users - it really isn't much of hurdle, if you
want anonymity then all you need to do is come up with an name for
your alter ego and stick with this.

Robert.


On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, <> wrote:
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Does this apply to the mailing list or just the forum?  I would like to
object to this if it applies to the mailing list.  I don't specify my
full
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name for a very good reason.  The type of work I am doing is
proprietary/sensitive and don't want any questions I ask, even though I
try
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to ask generic enough questions, to reveal what I am doing, or how I am
doing it, and it be traceable to the company and my customer.  It would
not
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be a good thing for anyone on my side.  If someone wants to try to track
me
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down through my email, well, I can only do so much, with out considerable
more effort, but I do what I can.

Ed (or maybe, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thomas, John, Freddy, or....)



Quoting Art Tevs <>:

Quote:
Hello dear forum users,

in order to establish a nice etiquette in our community, we have
 decided
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to suspend user accounts which do not correspond to forum's
 rules. The main
reason is that a lot of forum users don't have valid  real names
specified.
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The problem in that is, that your posts are  also visible by the mailing
list members and that more or less blind  kind of conversation isn't
appropriate for our community. Please  take a look into this
thread, written
by Robert Osfield:  http://forum.openscenegraph.org/viewtopic.php?t=2498
to
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see what I  mean!!!

So, user accounts who's real names are either not full (by full we
 understand First and Last name) or are of some cryptic nature (e.g.
 XMen,
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3D Master, etc) will be put into moderation queue by me in the  next
hours.
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Messages posted by moderated/suspended accounts are not visible and
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not forwarded to the mailing list, until they get approved by
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Hence you still able to post, however until you do not  correct
your profile
to match the forum rules  (http://forum.openscenegraph.org/rules.php)
your
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messages will not  be visible by other members of our community.
Hence if you like to join us, you are asked to follow the netiquette
 established in many years of mailing list era.

So again:
- you have to specify a valid real name in your profile. Valid real
 name
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is of type "First Last" name, for example "John McCourkey",  "Alice
Smith",
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etc...
 - Names with more than 2 words are allowed, e.g. "Hans Peter Maier".
 - If it is not appropriate to have such names in your culture or  you
want to preserve some kind of anonymity, then please use a
 pseudonym (which
match the both previous points!!!), however use it  persistently
in all your
communications within our community.
 - you can disable "Always show my realname" in your profile  settings,
then your name wouldn't be visible on the forum and will  also not be
indexed by Google etc when indexing the forum page!  However it will
still
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be used in mails sent to the mailing list, so  this is the same level of
anonymity as if you have used mailing list  only


Thank you and sorry for such circumstances
Art

P.S. Users who recieve an email with subject "Your account on
 OpenSceneGraph Forum is now moderated/suspended" are landed on the
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject:
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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Paul Melis <> wrote:
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And please don't go adopting a name that takes the mikey.  If you
can't be civil then it only take me a minute to unsubscribe you.

WTF? Are you now threatening to unsubscribe people because they choose
to go by a first name and e-mail address only, while otherwise being
civil in their communications??

This is getting ridiculous...

Please take things in context.

There has been another thread discussing what is pratical and what's
not. First name is better than nothing but it really isn't good
enough as the community is just too big for everyone to go by first
names. There is already two Paul's contributing to this thread with
both of you taking different stances. You wouldn't want to both get
tarred with making statements you didn't make now would you.

As administrator of the mailing list it's my responsibility to make a
judgment call on whether someone is using the mailing list appropriate
or not. If you don't like what choices I make then... we'll you can
go start your own scene graph community.

I have only unsubscribed two people for abuse of the list since it's
inception. It's not something I do lightly.

Robert.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject:
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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, <> wrote:
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<take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed!  How can anyone say I was being un-civil?

</take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Please start using a name, and one longer that will be unique not some
two letter nick name. Being civil is about respecting the rules of
the house in which you are guest.

Robert.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject:
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Ed is my name, not a nickname. If that is a problem... sorry, it is
what I was given by my parents.

If by civil you meant following the suggested rules of the mailing
list, why didn't you just say that. The word 'civil' means something
different, such as 'not rude' to most people I know.

Ed


Quoting Robert Osfield <>:

Quote:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, <> wrote:
Quote:
<take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Ridiculous Indeed! Agreed!  How can anyone say I was being un-civil?

</take mic to to address Mr. Paul Melis and others who wish to listen>

Please start using a name, and one longer that will be unique not some
two letter nick name. Being civil is about respecting the rules of
the house in which you are guest.

Robert.







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