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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject:
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I would prefer a forum too. Even though I use gmail with filters.

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like you said just to forums instead.. every descent forum has thread notifications. So no
need to track down forums, you will get an email when someone has answered or posted in
your forum thread.


So you prefer getting e-mail *and* going to a forum rather than just getting e-mail?

A lot of us at least skim all topics, and read most of them. Using a forum in that case would just be too long (switching to topics all the time, waiting for pages to display). And we would then get notification for all topics we're interested in, which would be equivalent to a mailing list. E-mail is instantaneous (once it's downloaded) and much more efficient for our time.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject:
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Hi Robert,

I can see that having both systems at the same time would be nice, but how
would you solve the problem about "catagory", "topics", "threads", "subjects".. in a mailing
list you only have a "subject". so if we parsed the mailist and got the forum in sync then
all posts would just come in one catorory (not much of a win there).

Peter

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Guys.

Please re-read the previous thread on this discussion. Everything has
been said before, everything has be rehashed to death. You are never
going to please everyone by going for a forum or by going for mailing
list only. The only way to appease everyone is to have a system
where users can subscribe as a mailing list or visit a forum to
interact with the same materials in their own preferred way.

If such a system has been developed that is viable, and can import all
our mailman history, and we have expert volunteers that can make it
happen, i.e. do the work on the server, then great, but until that day
we'll be sticking with a Mailman based mailing list.

If you can't make such as system happen then please take heed I'm not
taking votes, migrating from a mailing list is not up for debate until
we have the above solution that deployable and we have the manpower to
make it happen.

Robert.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject:
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Hi Peter,

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I can see that having both systems at the same time would be nice, but how
would you solve the problem about "catagory", "topics", "threads",
"subjects".. in a mailing
list you only have a "subject". so if we parsed the mailist and got the
forum in sync then
all posts would just come in one catorory (not much of a win there).

I suggest you read up on RFC 2822 (the "standard" that defines how
e-mails are formed). There are hidden headers in each mail message which
define lots of cool things, one of which is an identifier which can be
used to thread the messages ("References:"). Most good e-mail clients
allow you to display messages in threaded "tree" format (Thunderbird,
Evolution). This header can be used to make forum-like threads out of
messages.

(As an aside, that's why when you start a new topic of discussion on
this mailing list, it's proper netiquette to click "New message" in your
client instead of replying to an old message and changing the subject.
The former will do the right thing, the latter will make your message
show up at the end of the old thread for anyone who displays their
messages in threaded form.)

Of course, it's up to the mail client to form a correct reply message,
and some omit the "References:" header (these should be exceedingly rare
now). Even if there is no "References:" header, most of the time you can
use heuristics (remove "Re:" to get the title, which gives you the
thread, then add the message to the thread in the order it was received
by date-time). These will fail sometimes, but most of the time will give
sane results.

Don't worry, some software exists to go from mailing list to forum and
back, so it's not a problem as you think it is. See for example:

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.openscenegraph.user
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.openscenegraph.user
http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.openscenegraph.user

The problem is committing to one and then also finding the time to
install/configure/test/maintain it. Until that happens, it's likely
nothing will change and we'll get into these discussions every few months.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject:
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Quoting Peter Wraae Marino <>:
Quote:
like you said just to forums instead.. every descent forum has thread
notifications. So no need to track down forums, you will get an email when
someone has
Quote:
answered or posted in your forum thread.

Oh great, so not only do you get swamped with notification mails, you *still*
have to login to the forum and read it. And you have yet another login to keep
track of as well.

I prefer mailing lists for exactly the reason you list as drawbacks: you
actually come across everything that's going on, not only the threads you're
explicitly interested in. Mind you I don't read everything...

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:33 am    Post subject:
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Hi Patrick,

There is a Chinese forum with more than a thousand members: bbs.osgchina.org. But it's only for Chinese users. Smile
There are some other forums on google, but not so popular as the mailing list.

Wang Rui

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Hi everybody,
I am just new to OSG and currently am just using but would hope to do some development in the future. I was wondering if there has been any thoughts given recently to moving to a forum structure instead of the full mailing list. I believe it would be much better to be able to subscribe to a certain thread if you are interested in it instead of receiving a long email with everybody's comment on something that one may not be interested about.

Is there anybody else that feels the same way?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject:
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Hi guys,
Sorry for opening this can of worms... After looking at the different links people have posted I see this has already been pondered over. But I guess there is always value in re-visiting an old idea once a while...
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To answer the question about the two views, i'll have to explain the problem
that made us to use the two views.

We have a terrain and an airplane... the problem is the terrain has a lot of decals
and was giving z-fighting problems. The terrain is generated by a 3rd party software
so we are limited in adding anykind of bias to the decals or objects causing the
z-problem. To solve this problem we decided to render the plane in one we and the
terrain in another. This way the near-far plane is shorter for each view allowing us
greater z precision. The z fighting problem disappeared and we are happy, but we never
really did find an "elegant" way of syncing the two cameras.

Perhaps there is a better solution to this problem, if so I would love to hear it.

We talked about using slave cameras to solve the problem, don't know if this is the way
but I was going to do some testing with it tommorow.

You last suggestion about copying all view setting is also something we have talked about,
but again before taking that direction I wanted to hear if there was an "elegant" way instead
of the more "hacked" way of doing it.

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when having a composite view I have two camera, one for each view.
Is there an elegant way of syncing these two cameras? so they have
the same fov, position, direction, and so on...


What is different between the two Views? I do wonder if a single View
with two slave Cameras might not be more suitable.

If you do have two different View's such as with two different scene
graphs then perhaps sharing a single CameraManipulator between the two
views might do the trick - I've never tried this though so odd things
might happen.

The other approach would be to attach a CameraManipulator to one View,
then on each frame copy the first view's Camera settings to the second
View. You'd need to break the viewer.frame() up into it's parts so
you could do the sync just before the call to renderingTraversals().

Robert.
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I can see that having both systems at the same time would be nice, but how
would you solve the problem about "catagory", "topics", "threads", "subjects".. in a mailing
list you only have a "subject". so if we parsed the mailist and got the forum in sync then
all posts would just come in one catorory (not much of a win there).

Peter

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Guys.

Please re-read the previous thread on this discussion. Everything has
been said before, everything has be rehashed to death. You are never
going to please everyone by going for a forum or by going for mailing
list only. The only way to appease everyone is to have a system
where users can subscribe as a mailing list or visit a forum to
interact with the same materials in their own preferred way.

If such a system has been developed that is viable, and can import all
our mailman history, and we have expert volunteers that can make it
happen, i.e. do the work on the server, then great, but until that day
we'll be sticking with a Mailman based mailing list.

If you can't make such as system happen then please take heed I'm not
taking votes, migrating from a mailing list is not up for debate until
we have the above solution that deployable and we have the manpower to
make it happen.

Robert.

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Peter,

You could have a look at the osgdepthpartition example, which does something similar, although for different reasons - I think this was originally due to precision issues for very large scenes, but its use of multiple z ranges might help your problem.

David




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OSG-USERS,

My build of VirtualPlanetBuilder(VPB) 0.9.1 only utilizes one core out of the available four. Is there a way to tell VPB to use more than one core?

I¢m using Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit with an Intel quad core CPU.

Thanks

-Mark Yantek



OSG-USERS,

My build of VirtualPlanetBuilder(VPB) 0.9.1 only utilizes one core out of the available four. Is there a way to tell VPB to use more than one core?

I¢m using Ubuntu 8.10 64-bit with an Intel quad core CPU.

Thanks

-Mark Yantek



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Hello,

From what I understand, in addition to OSG/Cal, OSG has some animation features built in. Which animation libraries or extensions are ideal for handling .3ds models with skeletal animation?


Thanks in advance~



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Is there a way to load files from a byte-buffer? I'd like to be able to store certain shape-files as resources and load them with something similar to:

osgDB::readNodeFile(shapeFile)

something like:

osgDb::readFromByteBuffer(char *buffer, size_t size);

I can't find anything like this in the API, does it exist?

cheers,

sean

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like you said just to forums instead.. every descent forum has thread
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answered or posted in your forum thread.

Oh great, so not only do you get swamped with notification mails, you *still*
have to login to the forum and read it. And you have yet another login to keep
track of as well.

I prefer mailing lists for exactly the reason you list as drawbacks: you
actually come across everything that's going on, not only the threads you're
explicitly interested in. Mind you I don't read everything...

Cheers,
/ulrich

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